Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? Model 12 duck guns had the same six-shot capacity as the standard Model 12: one in the chamber, five in the magazine. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Most sellers have no idea what they are selling. The 30" vent rib barrel is very good with a bright shiny bo, This Winchester Model 12 in 12 Gauge is in good condition with moderate wear to the wood surfaces and light thinning of the bluing on the barrel. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. SAME RECEIVER AS MODEL 12 BUT MAD, Guns Listing ID: 640773MAKE - WINCHESTERMODEL - 12FINISH - BLUEDBARREL - 28\"CALIBER - 12 GAUGECAPACITY - N/AGRIPS - WOODCONDITION - VERY GOODFEATURES - HYDRACOIL STOCK & MODIFIED BARREL, Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 gauge EARLY Serial # Up for sale is a used Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 ga, 2 3/4" chamber, 24" VR barrel stamped full but reads IM on a bra, Winchester - Model 12 Factory Try-Gun, 12ga. This was a result of the Watrous report, which recommended that many of the slow-selling options be discontinued following the war. Gun #: 978404477 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $25,000.00 Westerns innovation was progressive-burning powder that deformed fewer shot during acceleration. Thought behind it was that a taller rib on the bbl and a higher comb on the stock would help prevent "head lifting". The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. Keep in mind that all of these changes in stock design were running changes and thus some overlapping of designs occurred in production. The committee appointed to study the requirements for continuing business reported a successful reorganization would require the raising of a substantial amount of new capital. That capital was supplied by the Olin family of Olin Industries, owners of Western Cartridge Company. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. The 12 month average price is $622.51 new and $661.18 used. Featured Gun Classifieds Winchester Shotguns - Model 12, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood - 2 3/4" Shells note: particles/dust can be seen in the photo, In very good condition. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. As you know that, Winchester Model 12 (factory original) 28-gauge pump action shotgun. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibAuction Date: February 17, 2023. Something went wrong. A lot of us will have to begin learning to hit long-range ducks. Sounds like an invitation to join the long-range duck hunting cult! Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. Buckingham is jump-shooting with his big double gun. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. . However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. You have entered an incorrect email address! The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Both guns have 30-inch Full choke barrels inscribed FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER-X 3 IN. The bores are bright with no pitting. 12 Gauge, This is a very nice Winchester Model 12 Trap pump action shotgun in 12 gauge. (no choke stamp on barrel). on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in The duck gun sent to the American Rifleman staff in 1935 would not unlock during recoil. I believe the blueing to be original. I have several 2-pin guns. Nash Buckingham was one of the great duck-hunting writers of the period. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. It is first shooting light. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Solid rib model 12 made in 1954. As to price, it will also depend on gauge, barrel length, choke, barrel steel, wood type, pad vs. plate, etc. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. custom bolt act. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". Both guns were disassembled, cleaned and lightly oiled before testing. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). Edwin Pugsley, in charge of Winchester at the time of receivership, is quoted in Williamsons book: The purchase of the company by the Olin interests brought a breath of life to the institution and brought to Winchester many things. WARNING! There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. Dolphin, I agree with you until the part where you imply that Model 12s were sent to Simmons for ribs and then sent back to Winchester to sell. Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. 2. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Lay-a-way available for t, Excellent overall condition sporting original finishes. "SN:561491. Winchester dutifully shipped its duck guns with a wooden plug installed to limit magazine capacity to two shells. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. SN is 167xx, all numbers do match. Total production reached two million. The Olins were businessmen first and duck hunters second. By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. Regards Chuck. Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. Ronald Stadt states in Winchester Shotguns and Shot-shells: All Winchester special ventilated rib magnum guns examined have sand-blasted receiver tops. Solid ribs were offered until the mid-1950s, except as noted by Stadt: The 1960 wholesale-retail catalog listed 30-inch solid rib pidgeon magnums. Winchester made changes to the stock of the Model 12 duck gun after its introduction. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. Also, it was the only 1 3/8-ounce magnum load available. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. Every cowboy needs a revolver. The nearest thing to a Model Twelve that could appear, whether domestic or foreign, would be a shotgun with the same model designation, but it would not and could not be a Model Twelve. Browning, in fact, did import foreign-made copies of the Model 12 after Madis wrote the above. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. I believe that Stadt's book is one of the few that actually states that Winchester did produce M42s with Winchester vent ribs. We have a IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. It was a little rough so I am doing a restoration. This gun is in excellent condition and has very desireable solid rib barrel with full choke. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. Buy Winchester model 12 26" vent rib poly choke barrel: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 973937149 . Learn how your comment data is processed. Now I have never been wrong about anything in my lifeLOLjust kidding, but the way I read it on the top of page 109JMHOThanks, WC. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. Rib Boat, Winchester Winchester Rifle Parts, 12 in Frame 12 in Wheel Electric Bikes, 12 Gauge Barrels, Youth Football Rib Protector . Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. Very good condition overall. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. On the other hand, a duck caught in the middle of one of these dense-centered pattern sat 40 yards would receive a dozen or more pellets. It also got a new action slide. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. At Guns.com, if an FFL is The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. As far as early 2 pins, remember there were a few made as early as 1919, standard and "graded" model 12's (ie) "Black Diamaonds" they had the longer checkered forearm. Duck guns always sold for a slight premium over the standard model. The earliest gun they found with a 2-pin rib has a serial number of 2037xx with a date of June 30th, 1919. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. One of my favorite subjectsI've read and reread the books by Madis, Riffle, and Stadt, and I still find it a little confusing. It was an immediate success. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. The balance point is the takedown joint. This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! rifle w/ Jaeger Quick Detachable scope mount 3 Remington mod. The load averaged 67.5% (range 62-72.5%), in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. Blue Book on this fine collector 12 gauge is around $2,700! A smothered roar from around the corner! . , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. President Roosevelt signed the law limiting magazine repeaters to three shells for migratory game bird hunting in 1935. Winchester needed to cut it's manufacturing costs and the milled vented rib was a costly proceedure. Since you in Kansas; ever deal with now deceased Felix Bedlan @ Fairbury, Neb. If it's a 12 gauge, replacement factory butt stocks can be hard to come by. Made in 1928, 12 Gauge, 28"" barrel. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Winchester cautiously claimed 70 to 75% pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.. Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. . After college and had some $$$ I started collecting them. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. And, as WRACO states, Simmons installed Model 12 ribbed guns were sold by Simmons, not Winchester. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . Thanks for all the info,my Grandfather died when I was in 12th grade in 1971 and I now have his field grade Mod.12 and 9 others love them all.I also have my Great Grandfathers Mod.97. the shot gun is in very good condition , with a 28 in ventilated rib barrel with full choke. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. I recently acquired a 1921 gun. I RATE THE BLUING AT 98% AND THE WOOD AT 96+%. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. So a shooter really doesnt need a rib. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. 4 chilled shot.. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. bolt act. Bluing is in overall very good condition. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN 30" SIMMONS VENT RIB 1953 PRE-64 RARE 12 GA. MAGNUM 3" EDITION PROOF MARKING - 12 GAUGE MAGNUM - 5 - 30 " My 1953 duck gun has the factory solid rib. Two birds tumble all awry from among the leaders. If you pull the trigger and the shell does not fire you must push the slide handle forward to unlock the action. An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. Teal, mallard, widgeon and sprig [pintail] hover singly and in bunches overhead. It would stop ducks consistently at 80 yards. Two years after Askins wrote the above, he received from Ithaca the first 3 1/2inch Magnum 10 double off the assembly line. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. Model 12 duck guns could be ordered in pidgeon grade, featuring fancy wood and meticulous fitting and finish of parts. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. And for this reason the spike in prices for the forty two will go back down becouse there is a alternative that is for sure and safe and they know all the things that people look for to see if it came from the winchester factory. 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. The $48 price tag was right. Standard Grade: 12-, 16-, 20- and 28-gauge; plain, solid or ventilated rib round barrels; standard lengths 26", 28", 30", 32"; plain walnut pistol-grip stock; grooved slide handle. Winchester recognized the scarcity of ducks in their promotional advertisement of the new duck gun To Meet the New Wildfowling Conditions. I suspect most Model 12 duck guns bought before World War II were put to work on other game. Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. No Reserve. Charles Askins, in an article entitled Long Range Shotguns in the January 1930 issue of the American Rifleman, concludes that a 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot, patterning 80% or better is pretty reliable [on ducks] at 65 yards. However, Askins goes on to say I have never, personally, had a shotgun which would reach far enough. Before the eight gauge was banned in 1918, Askins had a Greener eight-gauge double with 36-inch barrels weighing 13 pounds. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. This shotgun is in near new condition in the original box. Riffle's excellent reference book on the Model 12 notes the 1919 patent date for the two-pin rib, but suggests that the rib was not on the market until 1920. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. For small bores, there are still new factory wood sets available. Will Winchester ever build the Model 12 again? generous return policy, and handle everything you dont have to go back to A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. I am planning on shooting it at the Grand Nostalgia shoot. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. 80 of 1916 indicates seven empty 12-gauge paper shell lengths (2-1/2 to 3-1/4 inches). Serial numbers match on barrel and receiver. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern.